John Brett

John is a professional engineer with 50 years experience.

John has designed and built many cars, trucks, and vehicle assembly facilities.

John has worked on design of roads, bridges, cranes, transmission towers, and buildings, and operation, maintenance and upgrade of hydro and gas turbine power stations.

John was a LVV Certifier for 13 years. John has long been a whistle-blower, expressing the view that the LVV system is dangerously deficient. John’s authority was revoked in December 2012.

John rides a 1992 Yamaha FJ1200ABS, and is also a keen road and off road cyclist.

APOLOGY

“The LVVTA has brought it to my attention that statements I have made in relation to it and its employees may have been perceived as defamatory.

I sincerely regret that and apologise for any harm caused. I have taken down the statements identified by the LVVTA of concern to it.

I have strong views about the low volume vehicle certification process and intend in the future to direct my energies into the public inquiry now being held in relation to it.”

John Brett 7th October 2015

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Seats and Seatbelts in a Van

Fitting seats and seatbelts to a van requires design to meet the loading requirements in a frontal collision.

Van seatbelts - view from side

Van seatbelts - view from side

The LVV Standards for seats and for seatbelt anchorages set out the different ways of meeting these requirements.

In the Hiace shown, some second-hand seats were to be fitted, these had the seatbelt anchorages in the seat frames, making them “Stressed Seats”. This is much neater than having all the seatbelts going to the floor, however it means that the seat has to be strong enough to take the seatbelt loads.

Van seatbelts  - view from rear

Van seatbelts - view from rear

A quick stress calculation showed that the back beams were not strong enough, and had to be strengthened by adding a 50 x 25 box beam to the original 50 x 50 box beam to make a 50 x 75 box beam.

The mounting system is the “Over-floor mounting bar” system, as in the LVV Standard.

Also visible are headrest mounts on the rear seat back, because of the closeness of the rear window.

Installation by owners Eastern Rentals 66 TeRakau Drive 09 577 0128
Design calculations and LVV Certifification by John Brett Technology Ltd. 0800 LOW VOLUME (0800 569865)

The LVV Standards are here- Seats and seat anchorages [692kB PDF] and here Seatbelts [1024kB PDF]

REAR FACING SEATS
Rear facing seats have to restrain occupants from frontal impact. This means that the seat backs have to be far stronger than normal, or a supporting structure provided.
This is a matter which is often overlooked by some commercial modifiers.

The requirements from ADR VSb 5B are:
Appendix B
Rear-Facing Seat Strength

Rear-facing seats and their anchorages must comply with the requirements of the latest edition of ADR 3/…
In addition, a rear-facing seat should withstand, without imposing any load on any other seat in the vehicle, a load equivalent to twenty times the weight of the seat and its occupants applied in the forward direction relative to the vehicle. Seats intended to accommodate more than one occupant should withstand the loads applied by all occupants simultaneously. This requirement should be demonstrated with the occupant load uniformly distributed over the backrest and head restraint of the seat.
The occupant mass to be used to determine the test loads for each category of seat must be:
Category 1 – 68 kgs
Category 2 – 38 kgs
Category 3 – 26 kgs.

Reasearch link:-
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COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURE AND INSTALLATION OF ADDITIONAL SEATS
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File Format: Microsoft Word – View as HTML
Rear-Facing Seat Strength. Rear-facing seats and their anchorages must comply with the requirements of the latest edition of ADR 3/. …
www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle…/bulletin/…/vsb_05_b.doc

165 comments to Seats and Seatbelts in a Van

  • I think I will try to recommend this post to my friends and family, cuz it’s really helpful.

  • Sam McPherson

    im wondering about folding seats in vans though, how do they avoid the need for cert? not all seem to have seat belts too

    Peace
    Sam

  • johnbrett

    Hi Sam
    Vans do not need seatbelts for a rear seat, if they were built before March 2002.
    Also, if there are MORE than 9 seats, and the vehicle is pre March 2002, the rear seats do’t need seatbelts!
    Lots of owners decide to fit seatbelts to these vans, and this is done under LVV Certification.

    If the van has a factory fitted seat (such as the folding ones you have seen) there is no modification to Certify.
    If the Van has had a seat fitted later, it does need a LVV Cert. for the seat, and this is a good time to add seatbelts, and include them on the Cert.

    Hope this helps

    John

  • William

    Hi There,

    I purchased two extra seats for my 80 series landcruiser thinking they would bolt straight into the back of my wagon. I have since been told that I need to track down a wrecked 7 seater, have the floor cut out and mounted into my vehicle before I can have them installed. Is there anything else that can be done?

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    William.

    • johnbrett

      Hi William. Is this really a Series 1 Landrover??
      In reply- there is no set way that seat installion has to be done- if you can come up with a practical way to mount the seat, it should be OK. It WILL need to be LVV Certified, so talk to your LVV Certifier first.
      Do you plan to put seatbelts in?

  • William

    Hi John,

    Thank you for this. Sorry I should have been more clear. My vehicle is a 1991 Toyota Landcruiser 80 Series. The extra seats were to be added to the very rear of the vehicle to make it a 7 seater. If I am hearing you right then as long as it can get LVV Certified it should be ok.

    What has me confused is that this information was given to me from a panelbeater who spoke with the LVV Certifier.

    I better give the LVV Certifier a call.

    Finding someone to part with a floor from a landcruiser might prove difficult.

  • William

    I have the seat belts and mounts for the seats. there is just nothing to connect it to the vehicle.

  • John Brett

    Ah, a Landcruiser 80 series! I have done many of these, and similar vehicles. There should be no problem adapting these to the existing floor.
    The inner seatbelt mounts are on the seats, the seats lock down to a bar on the floor, which takes all the seatbelt loads. All this can be duplicated quite easily.

  • marty

    is the same requirements for toyota van for cof as above,, eg 10 seats no belts?

  • johnbrett

    Hi Marty
    see above:
    “Vans do not need seatbelts for a rear seat, if they were built before March 2002.
    Also, if there are MORE than 9 seats, and the vehicle is pre March 2002, the rear seats do’t need seatbelts!”

    So the answer depends on what year your Hiace is.

    COF makes no difference to whether seatbelts are needed or not.

  • Vin

    Hi,I have ford transit mobility van with total 10 seats, I want to convert it to a 12 seater (with COF)and ready to loose mobility lift,
    Can you please inform whatt to do and how or who can do that
    regards
    Vin

  • johnbrett

    Hi Vin
    You would need to get in touch with a LVV Certifer. The actual job of adding seats could be as easy as getting some Transit seats, and bolting tem to existing mounts in the floor, or there may be more work to be done. If you are in Auckland, call us on 0800 LOW VOLUME (0800 569865)
    Regards
    John

  • Jas

    Hi, I have a 1969 Dormobile Kombi and I would like to install a single folding seat backing onto the passenger seat inside the sliding door does the seat and belts need certifing. What kind of seat belts can i use and who sells them? Queenstown area cerfifier?
    Thanks Jas.

  • johnbrett

    Hi Jas-
    All seats and seatbelts need LVV Certification.
    Does your Kombi have the steel partition behind the front seats? A rear facing seat needs strength in a frontal collision.
    Certifers in Queenstown- In Dunedin is Roy McDonald on 03 4885657 and Graham Fitzpatrick on 03 4545088

    Regards

    John

  • Diana

    Hi, I have a 1987 Toyota Hiace campervan, the seating in the back consists of 2 long storage compartments bolted down and running down the sides of the van with covered couch foam/matress on top. Do you know if passengers are permitted to ride in the back or will i have to put some seats in?
    Thanks
    Diana

    • johnbrett

      Hi Diana
      Under the current laws, Camper Vans on vehicles manufacutured before 1/10 2003 do NOT need seats and seatbelt anchorages in the back. Passengers only need wear seatbelts IF they are fitted.
      So you can carry passengers in the back without seatbelts. You CAN fit lap seatbelts on those side seats, maximum 1 per side, far enough back so that an occupant’s head would NOT hit anything soldid in a frontal accident.
      The new seatbelts would need to be LVV Certified. If you are in Auckland, I reccomend that you ring Seatbelt Specialists on 09 4440099 Regards John

  • Alanah

    We have just purchased a 1998 Toyota Hiace van that has a 3 fold-down seats immediately behind the drivers seat which doesn’t have seatbelts but the Trust that I work for, wishes to install. I have been led to believe that it is not a legal requirement. (Is that correct?) If so do I still need the certification for this work to be done? It makes it prohibitive to getting it done as it more than doubles the cost, making it $930-$1100..

    • johnbrett

      Hi Alana- What you say is correct, seatbelts are NOT a legal requirement for the rear seat in this vehicle. If you have Seatbelts fitted, they MUST be Certified. The costs you mention sounds about right, if you are In Auckland try Seatbelt Specialists on 09 4440099.
      I would think that the price is a bargain, compared with the cost, pain, and possible death of not having the seatbelts
      Regards

      John

  • Richard

    Hi guys.
    We are in the process of tidying up our dear old 65 Series IIa.
    Currently we have the normal ugly statics mounted in the usual position… but on sunny days, when the sun is shining and the birds are in the tress… sorry, I digress – we like run it without the roof.
    Now, this creates a problem… no roof = no top mounts (then I just swap them out for the original lap-belts on those days).
    Any suggestions on a more permanant and suitbale solution that isn’t dependant on the roof being on?
    We’re toying with the idea of 3-point harnesses as this would give us the freedom to go.. sans lid.

    Cheers all
    Richie

  • johnbrett

    Is this a Landrover Series 11A?
    If so- what body? SWB, LWB, Hardtop? Station Wagon?
    One popular way is to add a roll-bar with upper seatbelt anchorages mounted off that. This is good if it is only a two-seater, but creates an Interior Impact problem if there are rear seats.
    Another method is to add upper mouting points to the body side, below where the top removes.
    Both require some engineering input before you start- I recommend you ring John Brett Technology (Low Volume Vehicle Certification) on 0800 LOWVOLUME.

  • Richard

    Hi again.

    Yep she an LR, SWB/88inch.
    We’re fortunate enough to have a hard-top, cab and as of the end of teh month a canvas hood for it. Hence our dilema… need a system wherby we can use each/all if desired.
    Full hard top is easy, cab is easy, soft-top becomes an issue
    No seats in the back. The original hard top and cab have the required mounting plates etc for belts (which are readily and cheaply available ex-UK if anyone needs them) but we’ll probably lean towards keeping it original by using the canvas hood
    Questions also around the limited space beteewn the door and the seat box for mouting the reel…

    Thanks for the comments and advice – am on the Shore so will drop in or give them a yell.

    Cheers

    Richie

  • Incredibly awesome read. Honestly!

  • Jamie

    Hi there

    I am looking at buying a LWB Toyota Hiace pre 2000. I was wondering if it is possible to put 2 small couches (Secured with bolts) down each side and a fold out sofa bed down the end facing to the front. Ive worked out all the measurements and with the couches I have and the sofa bed, it fits comfortably and perfect. Is this legal and if so do I need to put seatbelts in the back???

    • johnbrett

      Hi
      You would be building what amounts to a small motor-home or caravan. As the vehicle has three seats, and no more than 3 berths, you would not need extra seats and seatbelts.
      As the vehicle is pre- October 3003, you would not be required to put the extra seats or seatbelts anyway. You could carry passengers in the back legally too.
      The requirements for seats and seatbelts under LVV are stringent, your wooden couches and sofa beds are not going to be suitable as seats.
      Regards

      John

  • Good post and this post helped me alot in my college assignement. Thank you for your information.

  • Erin

    Hi, we have recently recieved lotteries funding to purchase a disability vehicle for my husband. Could you please advise what the rules are with regard to the hoist and belts for the wheelchair if any. We get one story from the independent assessor and a different one from the dealers. We’re getting a headache trying to figure out what we need to know in terms of certification. We require a rear loading hi top van for a single wheelchair (powered) plus 4 passenger seats for the family.

    • johnbrett

      There are a lot of Low Volume issues here- Seats, Seatbelts, Wheelchair and occupant restraints all need to be Certified, also the hoist. This applies whether the vehilce is built in New Zealand or imported. Who will be doing the conversion?
      Have a look at the VANZ site for approved converters- http://www.vanz.co.nz/ Regards John

  • debra

    hiya,i have a 1980 sb3 bedford ex school bus which i am converting into a house bus and are trying to figure out the requirements for my drivers and pasenger seat,tell me i have purchased 2 3 point harness safety belted seats from a new plymouth camperbus shop and the seats have been certified in aussy,are the o.k 4 me 2 use? also i want 2 put on swivel bases,can i use the bases from a lapbelted toyota estima seat? thanks for any input .Debra

  • Mike

    Hey there, first off thanks heaps for the great information, I’ve been searching for ages for this info. I have a 1988 Toyota Liteace, I’ve put a foldable bench seat in the back currently fitted to the factory holes, If I were to turn this to face backward but still fit the same holes, would this need certed/tested? And one more, To add another of the same style bench seats at the back by drilling my own holes, would that also need cert’d? Thanks heaps

    • johnbrett

      Your new seat needs to be LVV Certified enen though it is on factory holes. It cannot be certified as rear-facing unless you can make it strong enough to prevent passengers going forward in a collision- that usually means a cross-beam beam of about 65mm square section or similar. Best plan is to talk to a LVV Certifire before you start the job.

  • Rob

    Hi there, probably a silly question but is it posible to stick a little seat in between the driver and passenger seats in a Toyota Estima 2002 model making it a 9 seater?…many thanks

  • David

    Toyota Hiace Van 2005 old model.
    False wooden floor
    I have ford transit minibus double seats with seatbelts included….chose them because of the stronger and safer design.
    However to fit them into the Hiace van, I realise I will need to have plates under the floor.
    Metal thickness and size ?
    Long running plates running along inside the van floor …ontop of the wooden floor ?
    Plates for ontop of the floor thickness and width ?
    High tensile bolt sizes ?
    Packing for the gaps between the wood on the floor and ribs ? Can this be wood or has to be steel packers ?
    Bolted strategically before and after each seat ?
    I have three pairs of seats to fit but will only have one set left in the van for family purposes.(pick up the kids sometimes after school)
    The rest for convenience ie family trips. As I will be using it as a work van.
    So I want a system that I can easily remove the seats and not be obstructive on the floor.
    Any links to further information appreciated

    • johnbrett

      Hi- The Ford Transit seats are excellent- for installation, you need to be working with the LVV Certifier right from the start.
      It might be easier to fit the usual folding type seat, and mount seatbelts to the floor, and to the pillars- Hiace Vans are easy to do this way. Again, get your LVV Certifier involved before you start

  • David

    Just an addition with having to use and over the floor mounting bar. The transit seats wont sit neatly on the seats base mounting plates.
    Any suggestions for a solution ?
    above Floor mounting bar not required ?

  • David

    Thankyou for your swift reply
    Who is a LVV certifier in Wellington ?

  • Michael

    Hi there,
    Im not sure if you have answered this already but I have a 1992 toyota hiace van which has the rear fold down seat behind the driver. Is it possible to keep this seat and add seatbelts? Or would I require new seats? Also what price would I be looking at to get any of these done.
    Thanks

    • johnbrett

      Hi Micheal
      You can keep the original seat, and add seatbelts to it. I have LVV Certified many Hiaces like that. Any seatbelt installation requires LVV Certification. You are best to start with either a Seatbelt Installer, or a LVV Certifier if you want to install the seatbelt anchorages yourself.
      If you are in Auckland, I could LVV Certify it, and try Seatbelt Specialists for the installation, on 09 4440099

  • razzamajaz

    Hi there we have just brought a 1997 toyota hi ace van with a fold up back bench seat. I insisted on this for the odd time my partner might need to pick up our 2 toddlers from day care. He thought he would be able to put seat belts in but we are discovering it is going to be about $1600. Is there anything else we can do as the kids carseats need to be fixed in with both a seat belt and anchor strap (preferably not a lap belt).

    • johnbrett

      My only suggestions are to-
      1 Shop around for seatbelt installation prices (but do not consider any ‘helpfull amateurs’ offering to fit belts without Certification- Dangerous and illegal). I would have thought that $100 to $1200 was about par.
      2 Look at fitting car seats in the front, using child restraints if needed.

  • razzamajaz

    Thanks – yes the front is an option but can only fit one car seat as the middle seat is too narrow and only has a lap belt. Thanks for your help. Might be back to the drawing board.

  • Andrew Morris

    hi there
    I have a 1994 toyota liteace dx diesel work van.
    It has a fold up seat in the back which i now only use to transport the dog with.
    The van has cargo bars behind the drivers seat etc, and is generally only used for work purposes.
    Will I need to remove the seat for the van to pass its next warrent? as there are no seatbelts in the back.
    Would appreciate your answer on this
    Cheers,
    Andrew Morris

    • johnbrett

      Hi Andrew- Seatbelts are NOT required in the back of this vehicle. There has been no change in the law. Lucky dog, getting a seat! Mine has to sit on top of my tool-box! Regards John

  • Hiria

    Am interested in buying a 1999 Mitsubishi Delica van. It has one folding seat and no seatbelts. I am told by the seller I will need to get seatbelts and to get the certification.
    I intend to use the van for work and carting stuff not for transporting passengers. Am I right thinking that the van doesnt need to be certified or to have seatbelts based on what you have replied to others.

  • Uli

    Hi John,

    I’ve got a question with regard to fitting childseats in the back of a campervan (Hiace 1995). It has two extra rear seats, both equipped with lapbelts. I had a look on the registration and it’s actually registered as 2 seater.
    Is it possible AND legal to put in the childseat, using the lapbelt? (It’s a rear-facing child seat , which needs two additional anchor points, but they can be mounted (I talked to one of the seatbelt specialists)?
    Thanks much,

    Uli

    • johnbrett

      I cannot comment about the legality of the rear seatbelts. What are the two additional anchor points? Child restraint anchors can be installed without any Certification, but seatbelt anchorages need to be Certified.

  • Uli

    Hi John,

    Some additional info: The seatbelts were built in by the camper van converter in Japan, back in 1995 (not Toyota). As far as I know the seat has a wooden frame, so probably wouldn’t go through current certification. When it was imported in Aug 2004 only the 2 front seats have been registered. The child restraint anchors would use exisiting ‘bolts’.

    Thanks,
    Uli

  • Gary

    hi, just done up a 1990 Isuzu WRF. and put 3 seats in the back, able to seat 8 people, do i need to fit seat belts aswell? as i was told by a cop that i did….

    • johnbrett

      Hi- the Policeman is right- you need complying seatbelts on all seats, plus the seats and seatbelts need to be LVV Certified. You should get a LVV Certifier in now, before you start putting in seatbelts, and you may have to re-do the seat installation to bring it up to the LVV Standard

  • joel

    hi
    we got a van (pre 2000) with NO mounted seats in the back, NO seat belts, can people travel in the back legally? ive been looking all over the internet, you seem to know what your talking about.

    cheers

  • scott komene

    hi i have a toyota hiace 2000.has no seats in it. would like to put 2 bench seats in it.would i have to get certification?..

  • John Brett

    You certainly do
    Regards

    John

  • Aaron

    Hi,
    I have a ’93 Mitsubishi L300 minibus. The rear seats have been removed, and were in storage, then someone threw them away. I have not been able to get the correct seats, but have found a similar size bench, possibly of Nissan origin.
    The mounts are different spacings, so would I be able to fit it with new holes, still using the original seatbelts and mounts, or would this require certification?

    Thanks,
    Aaron.

  • John Brett

    Of course it will need LVV Certification- it is a new Certification.
    The seats and seatbelts all need to meet the required safety standards, and the LVV process ensures that they do.

  • Hello there, Do you know of anyone that can fit rear seats to a 2008 Hyundai H1 Van?
    Thanks,
    Shane

  • johnbrett

    What area are you in? There are businesses such as Jacksons and Van Extras who do this work, and there are small businesses who might give it a go. You will need seatbelts- I would try a seatbelting place.

  • Andrew Petty

    Hi John,

    I’ve just bought a 2000 toyota Hiace registered as a three seater, but have the toyota folding up bench seat on the factory mounts. After reading article 4.2a of the pdf above (185-00(01)), do I need a LVV cert for this? I presume I’ll need one to fit seatbelts, but do I also need to correct the registration to a 6 seater?

    Cheers

    Andrew

  • John Brett

    Hi Andrew- Take it to a TSD agent such as VTNZ, VINZ, or AA, and do a “Change of details” form. They will get their inspector to look and decide mif it needs LVV for the seat. If it does, we can do it. If you want to add seatbelts, (and why wouldn’t you) it would cost NO EXTRA for the LVV Certification. If you are in Auckland I recommend Seatbelt Specialists in Glenfield, on 09 4440099. They will do the belts, and arrange the LVV Certification, on the one bill.
    Hope this helps John

  • Richard

    Hi there, I’ve just purchased an older coach 1982 to convert into a mobile home for my rapidly expanding family. The company I purchased the bus from pulled out all the seats and changed its usage to a heavy van (she’s 11.9 tons empty). They didn’t fit a seat belt for the drivers seat but it seemed to have gone through a c.o.f. fine without a belt.

    I’m toying with putting some original coach seats back for passengers to provide at least 4 extra seats but maybe even 8 (so 9 seats including driver) and then fitting the rest of the bus out as a motor home. I am wondering if I need seat belts at all if I leave it as a heavy van.

    If I change its use to motorhome, I believe I have to provide 1 x lap belt for every berth, but does this still apply in a heavy vehicle ?? or am I better to leave it as a heavy van, or is there no real advantage either way.

    If I need to fit belts, am I better to buy some seats that have the belts incorporated and mount these into the bus. I guess this way I only need to worry about the seat anchorage complying.

    I’m a fair engineer, so is there somewhere I can get some basic info on how to make these mounts compliant ??

    Lastly what sort of cost am I likely to run into for a compliance certificate and will I need one ??

    Thanks

    Richard
    (Wellington)

  • Doug Bell

    Hi John

    I am doing up a VW 211 Van (Kombi) 1979 Brazilian.

    The van originally had no windows in the rear compartment and a previous owner had installed windows a back seat with belts and turned it into a camper.

    I want to fit two new seats that I have made (I have a fitting and welding advanced trade and NZCE Mechanical) the seats are all steel and also have a ply base that the foam sits on. One is a three seater 1300mm wide forward facing, it folds flat and the flat seat and the engine compartment floor makes a nice bed (this seat is sometimes referred to as a rock and roll seat).

    Question One
    When you replied to Jamie’s question 30 June 2010 it sounded as if a van that is decked out as a camper does not require certification on the seats and that it can legally be use to take passengers. Did I interpret that correctly?

    I do want the seat to be compliant. But because I need the bed to be continuous when folded flat I need to have it almost hard up against the wall that forms the engine compartment. In this position the rear wheel arches get in the way of the rear mounts.

    Question Two
    The front of the seat will be conventionally mounted. Can the rear mounts be attached to the angled engine compartment wall? If you think this maybe too weak and bend can I use a transverse beam and attach the seat to that?

    Question Three
    Can I mount lap belts to that engine compartment wall or a transverse beam? I think this will be good as the belts will be working in a straight line of pull.

    I also want to fit a rear facing two seater 1000mm wide it will be mounted directly behind the driver and the middle front seat. The van has a full width dividing wall between the front and rear compartments. Like the old split window Kombis. From what you have written previously you sound familiar with this style wall.

    Question Four
    Do I need to strengthen this wall to take the extra loading of the rear facing seat?

    thanks
    Doug

  • Helen

    Hi there John,

    we are looking at purchasing a hiace van for our big family but all have no seats in them. Approx how much all up are we looking at, in putting seats and seatbelts in one? and getting it all certified? Just so I know if we can afford to go down this road?
    Cheers

  • Sunny

    Who does seat fitting in Wellington? I’ve got a factory rear hiace seat for my van, but my van never came with seats in the rear so it has no mounting points

  • Brian Tuffey

    Hello. I wish to have a single seat installed in the rear of a Hyundai Iload. Do you have a contact in Auckland. I am in Whenuapai. Thanks Brian

    • johnbrett

      Hi- I am no longer taking on LVV Certification of seats and seatbelts, because of the problems in the LVV System. Sorry I can’t help you. Regards

      John

  • Rubina Tautari

    Hi, we have a ten seater van, is it legal to put children in the back seats in their carseats. Do the seat belts have to be properly fitted to the floor.

    • johnbrett

      Some 10 seater vans Made before 2002) are not required to have seatbelts in the rear. So people in the rear can’t be made to wear non-existant seatbelts. If there are seatbelts, they have to be worn. Any seatbelt installation will have to be properly certified, either by the vehicle manufacturer, or under a LVV Plate- this ensures they are properly installed. If carseats are used they are retained by seatbelts, and if an additional restraint is required, an accessory strap and anchorage can be installed as per the car-seat manufacturers instructions.
      So- if there are no seatbelts in the rear, you can legally leave your children to roll around, and be injured or kiled in an accident (if you want). Hope this helps

  • Julie Hopkins

    Hi, I cannot find a van that I like with the seats that I like and are wanting to source someone who can help me. I wish to buy a van and have the seats fitted afterwards. All seats need to have lap diagonal seat belts. Can you help me?

    • johnbrett

      This has all become to hard now. I suggest that you phone the Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association for the name of any installer who can still do this, and LVV Certifier still willing to Certify this.

  • DelonTrinidade

    hi there how much would it cost to instal just one rear bench seat that would fit 3 people with seat belts? i have a 2004 toyota hiace 3 seater currently which was previously used as a courier van but now want to convert it to a family van. just wondering how much it would all cost for getting a seat and belts and would i need a cert?

  • brian

    Hi John, this is an odd one for you, do LVV certs apply to heavy vehicles or is this under another set of legislation? As i would like to add a third seat to a sleeper cab (and changing the seating capacity from 2 to 3) and am wondering if a LVV would be the person to speak to re structural support and seat belting?

    • johnbrett

      Heavy vehicles come under different rules. You need a HV Certifier. I can recommend Brian Reed on 021 557 547. Give Brian my regards. Hope this helps, John

  • Scott

    Hi there, I have a 2006 hiace which has a factory rear seat in the back but no seatbelts. I am pretty sure it already has anchorages as there are 2 things that the fold up seat locks into in the floor and the other side of these is free. Will these anchorages be sufficient and if so will I still need certification if I don’t have to modify the van just fit seat belts? Any help would be much appreciated thanks.
    Scott

    • johnbrett

      This vehicle is required by law to have lap and diagonal belts for the rear seat. It would have had them fitted when sold new, or at compliance if imported used. I recommend taking it to a Seatbelt installer who will be familiar with the model (there are lots of variations even in Hiaces!). They should be able to fit belts to the factory mountings.
      If there are no factory mountings, then the seat has been retro-fitted, and the seat and the new seat-belt installation including new anchorages will need LVV Certification.
      Hope this helps John

  • terrence

    Hey. I’m about to purchase an 87 bongo. it has 2 rows of seats in the back. both rows hav seat belts. i want to remove the back row. how do i do this leagly as i don’t intend on putting them back in? do i have to remove n weld over seat belts ??!?? Wasn’t sure as q n a above not quite the same.

    • johnbrett

      Hi Terrence- actually you don’t need to do anything! Just unbolt the seats and seat-belts. You can do a ‘Change of details’ form to reduce the number of seats, but you don’t havce to.
      Talk to VTNZ, AA, VINZ. Hope this helps, John.

  • terrence

    Thanks johnbrett, much appreciation 🙂

  • kazza

    Hi John, any idea who in Hamilton can put seats in a Toyota Hiace? thanks.

  • Callie

    Hi, I have recently brought a 1985 g20 van. All captain seats have belts but none on the back seat which converts to a bed. I have been trying to understand the legal stand. Would I need to get belts installed? And is this possible?

    • johnbrett

      Hi Callie- No the rear seats of this vehicle do not have to have seat-belts. It is possible to have belts fitted if you choose, but if you did they would have to be LVV Certified. Hope this helps, regards- John

  • Ida

    I have a ten seater Toyota hiace with nine seatbelt. I want to move the three seater bench seat to the front and install a third seatbelt. I only want a five seater van.is this legal if done at a garage? Current configuration in the back is 2, 2+1 and 3
    Thanks

    • johnbrett

      Hi Ida- The important thing is that the seats and seat belts work properly in a frontal impact. For this reason, a LVV Certification is required if anything is added. Seats and seat-belts can be removed without certification. There is no requirement on who does the work. Hope this helps- John

  • James

    The bench seat on my ute can physically fit 4 people comfortably. Would it be certifiable to get an extra seatbelt installed?

    • johnbrett

      In principle, yes it could, however the LVV Certifier would have to check whether their was actually sufficient space. Adults space requirement is 410 mm , child requirement is 310mm measured at seat level.

  • Daniel

    Hi, can children be put in a special car seat in the rear side-facing fold down seats in the back of a 300 series land-rover discovery (1994)? Also can a single seat (that will hold a carseat) be mounted in the rear of a 3.2 tdi 1997 nissan terrano with the R50 frame? Thanks.

    • johnbrett

      Hi Daniel- Side facing seats will not work with a child car seat. They are designed to work either rear-facing or front facing. Side-facing seats are not even very safe for adults! Yes, you COULD fit a car seat in the back of a Terrano- but it would need seat-belts, and have to be Certified. Hope this helps, John

  • Ben

    Hi, im Looking at fitting 1 row of stressed seats in a 2013 HiAce but i want then to be removable and to be able to change their position or spin them, what sort of channel fastening systems meet the certification requirements?

    • johnbrett

      There are a number of issues here-
      1 Do the seats have upper seatbelt anchorages?
      2 Do the seats meet the loading requirements for light vehicle seat-belts?
      3 If the seats are to be used in a rear-facing position, do they meet the loading requirments for rear-facing seats.
      4 Mountings- There is no ‘one plan fits all’ solution.
      a The LVV Standard 185-00 shows an ‘over-floor mounting bar system’ which I personally think is not strong enough in many circumstances.
      b The alternative is a custom-designed mounting system (which I could do), but then the question is would the LVVTA approve it?
      5 LVV Certifier- there is a shortage of LVV Certifiers, and you may have difficulty finding one who will take this job on.
      Sorry I can’t be more helpfull
      Regards

      John

  • Scott

    Hi, my 1995 hiace currently has one fold away bench seat in the back that doesnt have any belts, when through a cop stop the other night and everything was all good, i am now wanting to put in another 3 seater in the back, just wondering will i need a cert to do this and if not will it need seatbelts

    • johnbrett

      The rear seat doesn’t need seat belts, it is legal as is. A WOF agent would know this, lucky that the Police knew too! If you add another seat, both it and the original seat will need seatbelts. The new seats and seat belts will have to be LVV Certified.

  • islo

    so what exactly do you do? you are an LVV website yet you direct most ?’s to some other LVV

  • Pauline

    Hi
    We are converting a 97 transit van into a camper. The existing double seat in the front is appalling and dangerous as the seat belt barely does up and has no slack. We are looking to put in an Estima centre row swivel captains chair in its place.Presumably modification would be a frame attached to the existing floor bolt threads, with new thread/nut incorporated and aligned to the bolt position of the new seat. I believe these seats are commonly sought for the purpose of conversion. The seat would only be in the forward position while driving. The swivel/slide would come into its own at night time when it can be swiveled against dash and the bed fitted into the cab space thus accommodating a 6ft 4 occupant.
    Are there any fitters/ compliers in the Manawatu/Horowhenua/Rangitikei area that do this, as I suspect my own welding would not be seen as sufficient for certification.Thx.

    • johnbrett

      This type of modification has become too difficult for most Certifiers to consider. I suggest that you phone the Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association to enquire if they believe this could be Certified, and if they know of a Certifier in your area who might take the job on.

      Regards

      John

  • Tim

    Hi guy’s

    i’m looking to buy a 2011 Ford Transit Jumbo LWB and which to install a rock and roll style seat/bed just behind the cab. I could purchase an after market seat/bed but would be unsure about how to seat belt it? Also is their anyone in New Zealand that would make and install this type of seat/bed? I’m looking to buy it in Auckland but will be driving it down to Christchurch. So anywhere in-between would work. I’ve searched long and hard online but come up with not a whole lot. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Tim

    • johnbrett

      Hi Tim
      If the bed/ seat is considered part of the furniture of a motor-home, there is no rule concerning it’s fitment, and no requirement to install seat-belts If however the sleeping accommodation of the vehicle exceeds the number of seats with seat-belts, then additional Certified seats and seat-belt installations need to be installed.

      There is now a shortage of Certifiers able to certify this type of installation, and so very few companies doing this type of installation.
      If you must have Certified seats and seatbelts, I suggest that you phone NZTA or the LVVTA to see if they can arrange something for you.

      Regards

      John

  • Tim

    Hi John,
    thanks for the reply. There will be 6 bed’s so i’ll need 6 seat belted seats. With 3 already stock up front i’ll need to add 3 in the back, hence the folding seat/bed. The Tranist’s regularly come with a second row of seat’s where the belts attach to the seat’s frame., so i’d assume it surely must be possible? or would it just be a lot easier to buy a van with seat’s already installed in the back?

    Tim

  • johnbrett

    It would be a lot easier to buy a van with the seats and belts already installed. The Ford transit seats with integral belts mount to substantial underfloor structures, are excellent, and far better than anything you could have installed aftermarket. Sorry to be directing you away from LVV Certification, however this will be the most efficient path for you. Regards John

  • Rob Judd

    “Vans do not need rear seatbelts if built before March 2002.” Are you serious? My 1982 Toyota Lite Ace LXV just failed WoF because the centre rear row only had belts in the rear-facing direction. The inspector made an error – it’s registered as a NA (light goods) vehicle) – but if it had been MB class it should definitely have failed.

    See http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/general/vehicle-interior/seatbelts-and-seatbelt-anchorages

  • Dave Alexander

    I have recently purchased a 1966 swb land rover station wagon.
    The land rover states it is a 7 seater 3 in the front and 2 on each side facing bench seat (4 in the back)
    However carjam sez it is a 5 seater ….. can I legally take seven as per manufacturers specs, and what would happen if I was pulled up by police.

    Regarding seat belts I believe it currently requires seat belts only for driver and outer front passenger not the middle front passenger or the rear side facing seats.

    “Now the plot thickens” … my family consists 2 adults and 2 pre-school children, what are the legal requirements for transporting my family … I assume that at least one child would be required to be in a car seat in the front outer passenger seat position, unsure of second car seat in front middle seat if lap belt existed? … the other adult unrestrained in the back seat.???

    Now I could put in rear forward facing seats, either aftermarket seats designed to meet uk MOT/EU standards and fit the lap shoulder belts after fitting designed strengthening brackets for the shoulder mount.
    Or indeed fit rear forward mounting seats (possibly folding such as in the rear of a toyota town ace).

    Am I right in assuming these new rear seats would need LV cert and any rear seat belts as well?

    After this new LV cert was issued could I then remove the modified seats at a later date, and legally carry passengers in the original factory side facing seats again.

    To be honest I’m tempted to do this work in a safe professional manor (using appropriate reinforcing plates and brackets) and simply removing it at WOF time, and not worry about certification, a bit of paper dosnt make it safe, and anything be better than the existing setup, and no im not changing vehicles.1

    • johnbrett

      Hi Dave
      The legal requirements are in the VIRM- here is the page for seatbelts: http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/general/vehicle-interior/seatbelts-and-seatbelt-anchorages
      Yo will see that rear seat-belts are not required, but a centre lap belt is.
      I cannot explain why Landata shows only five seats, not seven- that’s a matter you would have to take up with NZTA, say starting with a TSD agent such as VTNZ.
      However, since rear seat-belts are not required, I can’t see it being a legal issue transporting four rear occupants- but remember that unbelted seating positions and side seating positions are very unsafe, and lead to many deaths and injuries.

      If you add seats or seat-belts, Low Volume Vehicle Certification is required.
      The Low Volume Vehicle Certification process is far more than just a piece of paper- the Engineer has to be able to prove that the seats and seat-belts will perform in a 20G collision. If you use stressed seats, it is amazing the strength that needs to be added- just some reinforcing plates under the floor won’t work. The people who say that it is not justified, not needed, everyone does this or that- are not going to be there when the meat hits the metal!
      I cannot advise you what to do, or to act outside the law- however it is getting hard to find a good LVV Certifier these days.
      Best wishes- John

  • Teddy THOMPSON

    Hello
    i have a 1997 Toyota Hiace with fold up 3 seat in the back. In the front i have a normal seat belt on passenger left and a waste seatbelt in the middle.
    Is it possible to carry 3 kids under the age of 7 in this vehicle and if so under what circumstances. Also if i do not have a car seat can a child under the age of 7
    sit in the back of this vehicle?

    • johnbrett

      Hi Teddy
      The seatbelts in your vehicle appear correct for the age of the vehicle. Row 1 has retractable lap and diagonals in the outer positions, and lap belt in the centre position. Row 2 is not required to have seatbelts. I am not qualified to comment on the ROAD CODE- check http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/safety-belts-and-child-restraints.html It says “Responsibility

      As the driver you are responsible for making sure passengers under the age of 15 are using an approved child restraint or safety belt.

      Children under seven must be correctly secured in an approved child restraint.
      Children aged seven must use an approved child restraint if one is available. If such a restraint is not available, the child must be restrained as securely as practicable in the circumstances using any child restraint or seat belt that is available (whether or not that child restraint or seat belt is approved).
      Children aged eight to 14 must wear a safety belt.

      The safety belt must be worn correctly and kept securely fastened while the vehicle is in motion on the road.

      Passengers 15 years and over are responsible for making sure that they wear their own safety belts correctly and that they keep them fastened while the vehicle is in motion.

      So by my reading, you would not be allowed to carry more than one child in this vehicle

      I suggest that you get rear seatbelts fitted

      Regards

      John

  • Xiang

    Hi John, I have a 2004 8 seater Estima with three lap belts for the middle row three seats and they are the same feature: you can pull them out completely dose not matter how fast you pull(not locking).There are also two three points safe belts for the side seats. I had a research and it was built like it and someone said it’s feature is that it works when the brake is on but I never tried.See there: http://www.teoc.ws/community/topic/52636-middle-seat-lap-seat-belt-issue-middle-row-of-seats/ . The WOF man said it should not be like that. My question is if the belt was built with that feature then should it pass the WOF check or not? Thanks.

  • Xiang

    Thanks John. Where should I find that the lap belts are “single sensitive”? I have tried searching online for hours but could not get any information about it. I have to convince the WOF man to believe that the belts were built as that. Regards.

    • johnbrett

      Hi Xiang
      There should be a standards marking tag sewn on the belt, usually at the floor mounting. It will give Japanese standards, date of manufacture and the symbol V, or W, or VW for the type. V is ‘Vehicle sensitive, which is what you have, W is sensitive to belt weight, VW is both.
      If you look at the table 7.5.3 in the VIRM, the requirement is for L1 which means single sensitive belts in those positions. Your WOF man should know this
      Good luck

      John

  • Xiang

    Thanks John, I just checked that the lap belts have words: MEETS JIS D4604, Ⅱ,ELR-V and the three point belt has VWe at the end. Will show this to the WOF man. Very appreciate your help.

  • Anthony

    Hi John
    I wonder if you can assist me. I am keen to buy a second hand Toyota Hiace campervan (trademe listing: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=906808605). I need for it to have certified seatbelts a the back because I will need to install a baby car seat on these rear seats.
    The vehicle currently have seatbelts fitted at the back, but the current owner told me that he failed WOF last time as these were not certified. If I were to buy this van, can you please explain to me what would be the process to follow to get the existing seatbelts certified? Is it doable at all? Any idea of what cost it would involve? Cheers. Anthony

    • johnbrett

      Hi Anthony- I looked at the Trademe ad- and I recognize that type of Japanese installation. The issue is that the rear seat-belt mounts do not meet the required standard, and will not take the required loadings. In vehicles I inspected, these belts were removed. The WOF inspector is correct in failing the vehicle for having un-certified rear seat-belts. Unfortunately it is not easy to bring them up to standard, as the seat belt mounts are on a swiveling, tilting base that does not have the required strength. I am no longer doing LVV Certs, and the LVV system has become so dysfunctional that I cannot recommend any way to add certified rear seat-belts to this vehicle. Sorry, John

  • Anthony

    Thanks for taking the time to post a reply John. This is much appreciated.
    I am going to see another van tomorrow with rear seat belts installed: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=910994880
    How can I make sure that the seat belts at the back are certified? Is there an indication of it somewhere in the van? is the paperwork maybe? Thanks again John.

  • johnbrett

    If the seats and seatbelts are Certified, there should be a LVV Cert plate on the vehicle. The usual place would be under the engine hatch. Good luck!

  • Jamie

    Hi John,

    We are thinking of buying a Mitsubishi Delica Starwagon or L300 and taking all the rear seats out for a camper conversion but we would like to be able to install a baby seat near the front, ideally between the two front seats. Do you know whether this would be possible and how difficult / costly it is?

    Thanks
    Jamie

    • johnbrett

      Hi- I think you will be able to install a baby seat in the centre-front position, using the existing lap seatbelt, and adding an upper tether point using the “Station wagon” kit which adds an angled strap down to a special anchor point fitted to the floor of the van. This will NOT need any Certification, and can be installed by any approved installer. If you are in Auckland I would refer you to a seatbelt installer, but probably any mechanic could install the kit. Check this website- http://www.childrestraints.co.nz/toptether.php Hope this helps.

  • jon

    hi John, I have a 1984 fj45 single cab landcruiser that has been fitted with a fiberglass cab and I need to get certified seat belts, a roll hoop has been turned down by lvvta and I have been advised to consider fitting two fully stressed seats, can you recommend what underfloor steel work would be needed to support stressed seats or who could design it for me, I am in Wanganui, regards jon

    • johnbrett

      Hi Jon It’s hard to know what to advise. I would have thought that a roll-bar with the upper seat-belt anchorage would have been the best answer- it would need to be a hoop with a brace each side- perhaps there is no room for the braces inside the cab, maybe that’s the LVVTA’s problem. I have seen Landrovers fitted with an EXTERNAL roll cage- perhaps that’s an option, with seat-belt anchorages mounted to that. A stressed seat is not so easy to find- some later model 2 door cars have them, but good luck finding them at wreckers yards. The older 2 door Range-Rover also had stressed seats- you might find them at a specialized wrecker. Mountings- you need to withstand uplift of at least 2 tons at the rear mountings, so they can’t be just attached to the floor or the existing mounts. You would need a new cross-member designed for the job (either inside the floor, or underneath) bolted to the chassis. Who is your Low Volume vehicle Certifier? what does he say? Regards John

  • Clayton

    Hi, I have a 2001 Toyota Estima. We now have 7 kids though so are one seat short. Is there any way a bench seat or 2nd row estima 2 seat can be fitted to the front making it a 9 seater? Thanks.

    • johnbrett

      Hi Clayton
      You need a center seat in the front row? For the center position you need a lap seat belt, which you could use with a child seat tether on the rear floor. You could use this then with a child seat, or with a child harness. To add the seating position, probably work with an upholsterer to build a narrow seat attached to the floor (maybe piggy-backing onto existing seat mounts). This is NOT an ideal option for safety- because Child seats are not recommended in Row 1 (front row), the dash bulge is a hazard to the passenger, and you are cramping the drivers elbow space. You will need Low Volume Vehicle Certification, and I cannot think who to recommend at this time. It might be a better option to look for a 10 seater vehicle if you can. I believe that Ssang-Yong have a 10 seater version of their Stavic model.
      Best wishes- John

  • AllyKidd

    Hi John.

    I have a problem with the wof for my 96 HiAce with rear foldong seat that Ive owned for 10 years.

    The garage said the law has changed and it is now based on the class of the vehicle and weight. they said miune is either class MA, MB, or NA.

    They then said something about unladen weight, and allowing 65kg for each seat and the laden weight…

    Do you know if there has been a law change, and have a link to the citeria that exempts it from seatbelts? On the link you posted above I cant see where it refers to rear folding seats, just rear facing.

    I appreciate your help with this.

  • AllyKidd

    Thanks for your reply. perhaps I am reading the table wrong? I can see that vehicles First registered anywhere: 1/1/1961–31/3/2002
    Rear outer –R2 or R1 or S1
    Rear middle –L or S or R1 or R2

    What am I missing? Apparently the maunfacture class of the van is “passenger” which I find odd as it is the 5 door DX model. I beleived this was a light cargo vehicle but have been told its not.
    I couldnt see anything in the table relating directly to the “fold-up seat”.

    Thanks again for your help with this John.

  • Amanda WILLS

    Hello cant seem to find answers to my questions… We have a nissain caravan 1998 with 9 rear seats with lap only belts.. We want to put in shoulderlap belts…
    We r looking at seats that come out of a Nissan carvan homy 2007 module.. That have set belts including but not attached to seats.. Can we use these also who do we have to get to installe them and certificate seat belts.. As they will need to be put into van and attached to van… We want to rearrange the positions of seats as well.. Not jsut a straight out replace

    • johnbrett

      Hi Amanda- for your vehicle, lap belts were the requirement at the time. If you want to change the layout of the seats you will need a specialist installer who can mount the seats, seat-belts, and will arrange Certification. I can suggest Jackson Enterprises, and Autotransform.

      Hope this helps

      Regards

      John

  • dan

    Hi John,

    I have a 1993 long wheel base toyota hiace 4wd. I bought it second hand and it is registered as a three seater. What are the legal steps require for set this up with a rear seat and seat belts? If its possible at all? it has factory mounting thread in the rear floor and also unused thread nuts mounted under the floor..?

    Cheers

    Dan

    • johnbrett

      Hi Dan- I have done many vans like this.
      According to the VIRM, if you can find a seat that will bolt to the original seat mountings, you would not need a Low Volume Vehicle Certification. The words are-

      “LVV Certification is NOT required if:

      the seat is either an unmodified OE seat from another vehicle or of a known and reputable aftermarket brand, and

      – the seat is fitted to unmodified OE seat anchorages, and

      – the seatbelt anchorage or operation is not affected, and

      – the seat components (including brackets, runners and rails) are compatible with each other, ie they are either OE components from a production vehicle or of a known and reputable aftermarket brand, and are not fitted together by welding, and

      – the relationship between seat, seat occupant, front airbag and location of the seatbelt anchorages is not affected.

      Note LVV certification is not required where the only modification is the removal of seats and/or seatbelts. However, a class change and a new load rating may be required in some cases.”

      Also, you are not required to fit seat-belts to that rear seat for your vehicle.

      URL is- http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/general/vehicle-interior/seats-and-seat-anchorages

      Other than that, you WILL need Low Volume Vehicle Certification. I would recommend that you hunt for a matching seat, and then talk to a firm such as Seatbelt Specialities Ltd about supplying and fitting the belts.

      Regards

      John

  • Caro

    Hi John

    We have purchased a 1995 Toyota Hiace 4 wheel assist Campervan, with a three seat front cabin (2x 3 point and one lap belt) plus 5 lap belts in rear (1x 2 seat folding bed, 1x 2seat box seat and 1x box seat)

    We asked for 3point belts to be fitted to the folding seat and one on rear box seat.
    They have installed them but the anchorage points for fixing the belts are very long and aren’t anchored in the middle of the seat as per usual. They have fixed anchor points beneath the seats on the left and right side of the seating unit.
    This looks wrong to me, they are insisting that it will comply with an MOT inspection but I am very concerned. My question is, do we need 3 point seat belts by law in this van to pass an MOT.
    We have two sons age 10 and 13 both are taller than the 135cm height ruling for car seats to apply, are they able to travel legally using the lap belts supplied with the Campervan?
    Obviously I would prefer them to have 3 point seat belts and would greatly appreciate any advice you can offer.

    • johnbrett

      Hi Caro- If you have had seatbelts fitted, I would assume that they were Low Volume Vehicle Certified. There should be a Certification plate riveted to the vehicle, usually under the engine hatch. Any WOF inspector will look for the Certification plate- if he cannot find one he will fail the vehicle. (WOF inspectors do NOT approve seat-belt installations themselves).
      If you have any issues with the seat-belt Installation you need to take it up with the LVV Certifier, or if you cannot identify who it was, with the Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association.
      I cannot see your vehicle, but I have LVV Certified many seat-belt installations in similar vehicles. My experience is that it is great if seat-belts can be mounted to the seats directly, however the seats have to be designed for this, and have the required strength for the huge loads applied. In 1995 vehicles, the folding seats were very far from being suitable, which is probably why the belts are mounted to the floor. The centre belt will be a lap belt because that is all that is required, because there is usually no suitable structure for the upper mount.
      For a 1995 van, rear seat-belts are not mandatory, but if fitted must be worn.
      That is all I can say without any more information. If you email me photos, john@lowvolumevehicle.co.nz I may be able to say more.
      Please consider my “Give a Little” campaign for my legal costs for pointing out the dangers of the Low Volume Vehicle system.
      Thanks John

  • zane pilkington

    hi John
    I have a 2011 toyota hiace import and have purchased a toyota rear seat complete with all seat belts bolts etc that was removed from a 2012 nz new toyota hiace.
    The area that I would assume that the seatbelts could be mounted are non existent on my 2011 van what is the best option for retrofitting can you recommend a company??

    • johnbrett

      Hi Zane
      I never cease to be amazed at the minor differences in what look like identical Toyota Hiace Vans! You need to have Seatbelt Anchorages installed and Certified. If you are in Auckland, I suggest Seatbelt Specialists in Glenfield, or Autobelts in Penrose. Both know the drill, and will have a Low Volume Vehicle Certifier available.
      Cheers

      John

      • johnbrett

        Hi Tony

        No, sorry, you can’t use the existing mounts to add an extra belt. The existing mounts cannot be proven to be strong enough for an extra seatbelt loading. To add another seatbelt you willl need to have new mounts added, and LVV Certified.

        Cheers

        John

  • Tony

    Hi, my courier xtracab ute only has 2 rear belts, can I add a centre lap belt using the mount points from the outside belts?

  • Dan

    Hi,

    I’m just wondering how strict the regulations around seating are. I understand the seatbelt regulations, but if I were to remove the factory seating and replace it with something more custom (keeping the seatbelts in place) would this be legal, provided the new seating was bolted down properly and everything?

  • Arnie

    Morning I have a CF Bedford and what to install a bench seat behind drivers (row 2) can it be done? and do I need seat belts?

  • Peter McGuire

    John I have a 1996 Nissan Homy VX first reg in NZ 2006, I have just purchased it and notice that there are no seatbelts in the rear, there is one row of rear seats. It has been passing wof checks ok,,but before I try my wof guy do you think this vehicle should have rear belts.

  • Katharine Davis

    Hi John. We have a 2010 vw T5 conversion. It has an uncertified rear bed seat which we would like to replace with an M1 pull tested rock and roll bed from the UK. These beds are uk mot compliant and ce certified. Can they be fitted and certified in Nz? I’m assuming an lvv certification is required. Any recommendations for south auckland?

    • johnbrett

      Hi Katherine
      Thank you for your query. LVV Certification is ONLY required if seat-belts are involved. Seat-belts WILL be required for seats that are used for carrying passengers when traveling. However, in Motor-homes and caravans, some seats can be regarded as part of the caravan function, intended for use when stationary. Presumably, your vehicle has the required number of seats with seat-belts already, which is one seat for each sleeping berth.
      So- you could change this bed as you describe, without any need for Certification, so long as it is for use whilst the vehicle is stationery.

      Hope this helps

      Regards

      John

  • Katharine Davis

    John. We are wanting to use the seats as travelling seats. The seat-bed would have engineering certification from the uk. Is it likely that this certification would be acceptable in nz? Do you know of anyone we could talk to about this?

    • johnbrett

      Hi Katherine
      UK Certification should be OK for a NZ LVV Certifier, so long as it covered the right things- e.g. seat-belt anchorages, or use as a rear facing seat.
      Mounting in the vehicle needs to be Engineered locally, and there are lvv sTANDARDS FOR THIS.
      You do need to find a LVV Certifier with the right categories, and there’s no-one left I can recommend now. I suggest that you ask NZTA to locate a suitable LVV Certifier for you.

      Regards

      John

  • Rachel

    We have a 2000 Toyota Estima 7 seater. Do we need a Cert to change it to an 8 seater??

    • johnbrett

      Hi Rachel
      The answer is YES you will need a Cert. Sometimes the change is easy, bolt in, bolt out, but sometimes additional seat mountings, or seat-belt anchorages are required. Either way, the Certifier gets to see what is there, and make his decision.

      Thanks for your query.

  • carl

    Hi I have a 2001 Toyota Hiace 3seater and am wanting to add another 2 or 3 seats in the back,would it need cert if the extra seats are from a 1998 toyota granvia van?

    • johnbrett

      Hi Carl- Yes- it would need a Cert- even if the mounting holes for the seats and belts are in the Hiace.
      Before you install anything, get talking to a Certifier, or a firm that has a certifier on hand, so that the work is done to standard.

      There is no charge for this free advice, but could I ask that you make a small donation to my ‘Give-a Little’ campaign? This is to cover legal costs for defending myself from Defamation charges made by Mr Johnson of the LVVTA.
      If you did want to, just click though to the Give-a Little page.

      Cheers

      John

      John

  • BrettW

    Hi John,

    I’m looking to purchase a 2008 Nissan Caravan which I intend to use as a camper. I need the rear seats to legally carry 2 kids. Most vans I’m seeing for sale have a fold up rear seat with no seat belts. Is it possible to get legal seat belts installed in these vans. Here’s a link to the type of van I’m considering: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1304990144

    Many thanks,
    Brett

    • johnbrett

      Hi Brett.
      All vans from 2002 are required to have compliant seatbelts in all positions. If there is a rear folding seat, it would have to have seatbelts fitted when the vehicle entered the country, or the seat removed. The vehicle in the Trade-me advert is not legal with the rear seat, because seatbelts are not fitted.
      If you convert to a camper, you would probably not use those seats, but incorporate seats into the camper conversion
      Seat belts are required in a camper according to the number of sleeping berths. A van of this type is usually 2 or 3 berth, so the front seat-belts are all it needs.
      If you do want to add seat belts in the rear, the seat belt installation, AND THE SEAT have to be covered by a Low Volume Vehicle Certification. The best way to do this is to deal with a seat belt installer who has a Low Volume vehicle Certifier on call- this way the job gets done to meet the Certification standard, and you come away with a Certified installation and a Cert plate. Do not try installing seat belts yourself, unless you have a LVV Certifier who can provide you with specifications first.

      There is no charge for this free advice, but could I ask that you make a small donation to my ‘Give-a Little’ campaign? This is to cover legal costs for defending myself from Defamation charges made by Mr Johnson of the LVVTA.
      If you did want to, just click though to the Give-a Little page.

      Hope this helps

  • Sateki

    Hi john I’m looking to purchase a bench seat to install in my Mitsubihi L300 but problem is its got no seat belt. Is it legal to install in the middle of the van or at the rear end with the middle left empty.

    • johnbrett

      Hi Sateki- if you add a seat it will need Low Volume Vehicle Certification. Seatbelts depend on the year of the vehicle, but most people fit them anyway. The Certification can cover seats and seat-belts at the same time.

      I have stopped doing Certification, so you will need to find a certifier near you. I suggest you ask NZTA

      Thanks

      John

  • Michelle Smith

    Hi,I would like to fit a floor under seats, could I install the packers myself and bolt seats back in?

  • Michelle Smith

    Hi John, thank you, are seats still able to be mounted with their backs to the side windows?

  • johnbrett

    Hi Michelle- only in camper vans- and not a good idea- can only have one seating position per side, lap belts only, and head swing radius so you don’t smash your head on anything, especially someone elses head.
    Cheers

    John

  • Sala

    Hi John,

    How much will it cost to install 3 rows of seats into a Toyota Hiace with carpet for the floor?

  • raj

    hi we are after toyota hiace van rear seats for 2013

  • Ray Webb

    Hello

    This question concerns a Hyundai iload 2016

    You can buy a 6 seater iLoad ie. 3 front seats and install a fold up 3 seat bench type (Hyundai) in the back with seat belts and therefore it is a 6 seater.

    Here is a 6 seater in this link:- https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1411621965

    You can also buy a factory installed 5 seater as per this link:- https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1432795178

    Question regarding this later 5 seater: – can I buy a Hyundai double front passenger seat as shown in the first link and install it in the 5 seater to make it a 6 seater?

    Thanks & Cheers

    • johnbrett

      Hi Ray
      What you propose is very sensible, and I would EXPECT all the mounting points for seat and seat-belt to already be in place.
      There is no guarantee that they will be exactly the same as the 3 seater, the seat and seatbelt loads are HUGE, and the consequences of failure are serious.
      I have seen many examples where what you would expect- is not what is there!
      For these reasons the WOF guide will require you to get a Low Volume Vehicle Certification, so a qualified inspector can check this all out, and come up with a suitable anchorage if required.

      Cheers

      John

  • Jodie

    Hi we have a 1991 Toyota Estima and in the back it has two single seats behind the driver and passenger seats and both are individually mounted and are are to swivel. We were just told that because the three point belt isn’t long enough when the seat is turned toward the centre of the vehicle that the seat can’t be used for passengers although it is fitted with a lap belt for use when the seat is swiveled towards the centre. Is this correct.

    • johnbrett

      Hi Jody-

      Sorry for the slow reply, we have been on holiday
      Those seats are for use facing forward only- there should be a label saying so.
      You need a lap and diagonal belt in any outer seat, not a lap belt.
      If you turn the seat to face backwards- the seat back is what would restrain the occupant in a frontal collision.
      The seats in a Toyota Estima are not designed for this, and will fail, and the occupant would fly forward to hit the person in the front seat.
      There have been accidents where this has happened, killing people, and causing brain damage.
      So- the swivel seats MUST be turned to face forward when the vehicle is moving. The lap belt should have been removed when the vehicle came into New Zealand.

      Hope this answers your query.

      Regards

      John

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